What are your thoughts on steam key sites? have you even bought a key from sites like g2a? are they a scam or are they cool, also do you have a story to share about steam keys.
i was planning on getting a mystery pack from g2a or whatever its called but im not sure if its a scam or not.
It has been said by many indie developers many times that purchasing games through key resellers is objectively more harmful for the developers than piracy entirely.
Key resellers tend to buy keys in bulk using credit cards. When the bank reports the card stolen, steam issues refunds. The developer of the game is responsible for these charge backs, not the storefront.
Basically, if you buy games from key resellers not only are you not giving developers money that they deserve, but you’re literally taking it out of their pockets. Do not buy from key resellers, pirate instead.
Okay, noted, buy all my Ubisoft and EA games through G2A etc 😂
you have 300 IQ over here
This is a great idea. Now only if they made any games I actually want to own…
Yes, look at this blog post from Factorio team, it is a few years old by now but still valid
https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-303
They start talking about G2A about half way through the post. Basically they much rather see you pirate the game than buy it through G2A
Mike Rose talked about that specifically and it was nothing more than a PR stunt to sell games. When G2A had that “contest” to prove that stolen keys were sold on their site and they would pay you 10X what you lost we found out that G2A only sold 5 copies of Rose’s game on their site. Not 5 stolen copies, 5 sold copies total. Then other devs like that Charlie Cleveland clown said that stolen games were sold on G2A before G2A even existed.
Wait, so those 5 Factorio buyers sent at least 7 E-mails to the Factorio devs? The blog post there has 7 example E-mails.
That indicates quite clearly that someone is lying. Given that one “someone” in this case has hosted thieves, I feel pretty safe suggesting who that is.
There is a follow up post as well, at the very end they write a bit more about it. And much more than 5 keys.
You’re confusing Wube and No More Robots. The “pirate our games rather than buying them from G2A” line in that blog post came from Mike Rose from No More Robots. It was ironic because almost no one purchased his game, let alone purchase it from G2A.
Wait, so Tanoh posted about Factorio, and you replied to him. If you were talking about a completely unrelated developer, who’s confused here?
Basically, the Factorio dev proved G2A was selling stolen keys. If you have evidence against that, we’re all ears.
I’m talking about the developer quoted in the blog post that they posted in the comment I replied to. I don’t understand why you’re confused.
So your point is that the person who detailed condemning evidence about G2A’s behavior ALSO happened to cite an unimportant quote from someone that, according to your unsourced info, happened to be a small-time developer not making many sales, and thus deserves to be mocked and ignored.
Not only is that several levels of logical indirection, it’s kind of pathetic…
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There was a mess around green man gaming, which is supposed to be a legit key seller and is in that list.
Around Witcher 3 release they started selling keys for it, however CDPR warned that they were not official partners and as such those keys were grey market. They told people not to buy from there.
Turns out CDPR had selected only a few stores to supplying them with keys officially (which is their right, obviously) and gmg wasn’t one.
Gmg made a rather… unconvincing answer in which they said all they wanted was to provide “Gamers” with the games they wanted and were disappointed with CDPR not letting them. They said they got their keys from legit stores themselves, but it cast a serious doubt about how reliable they were.
Was that not Fallout 4 rather than The Witcher 3, or did it happen more than once? Either way, they clearly sold enough keys during the kerfuffle that the only way they could have got them was buying them wholesale off one or more of their competitors who’d managed to get hold of some, and then it makes sense that they’d want to keep it quiet who it was so the publisher wouldn’t penalise them.
It’s basically the same as an independent game shop buying a box of games from GameStop (or your regional equivalent) when their normal wholesaler has issues so their regulars continue being regulars. As far as everyone’s concerned at the end, a retail key was sold to a retailer and ended up in the hands of a customer, and no one in the supply chain got scammed.
It did happen with Witcher 3 : https://www.pcgamer.com/green-man-gaming-hits-back-over-witcher-3-key-row/
I am not aware of something like that for Fallout 4 though, can’t tell about that one.
As a former indie dev, you also get innundated with scams. At least a couple of emails a day pretending to be moderately famous YouTubers or gaming sites.
It was a huge time sink to verify them but we couldn’t just ignore them occasionally one of them was a moderately famous YouTuber.
It was a shitty feeling. If you can’t afford the game, pirate it.
One indie dev that most people had ever heard of said this. I don’t know why people need to spin this as “many”.
G2A sells sketchy stolen keys, so does Kinguin. I’ve never had an issue buying from them, but plenty of other people have.
There are plenty of reputable sites though. When I’m looking for a game on sale, I go to IsThereAnyDeal.com and all the sites they list are legit.
Stolen from whom?
Stolen credit cards, buy legit keys, owner of card does chargeback, actual retailer is now out money and a key and can get penalised for the chargeback.
Might as well pirate it instead because the devs definitely don’t get the money.
It feels like an easily solvable problem. Every key is unique. It can be centrally tracked from it’s origin to the buyer. Steam should allow the easy revocation of keys if reported as bought with fraudulent means.
The reason keys aren’t revoked more often is because it results in negative press. If you bought a Plony GameStation 6, you’re very clearly not a Sony customer. But if you buy what looks like a Steam key, you enter it on Steam, you play it on Steam, and then days later get invalidated, usually the customer frustration is towards Steam. Most people looking for cheap games don’t follow the chain of causality to see who’s at fault.
It does. That’s why sometimes you’ll buy a game on g2a, it’ll work for a while, and suddenly be inactivated. (Because it was bought with fraudulent means)
And even if the keys don’t become invalid and were initially purchased with a non-stolen credit card, it may be part of a money laundering operation and therefore facilitating some shady crap.
I used to say this same thing parroted over and over again on reddit when in reality it’s not even an issue. Every time you ask for examples they link the same incident that happened in like 2015 where some keys got stolen and sold on the site. It was a sliver of overall business they do yet redditors ran with it as if fraudulent key sales made up 50% of their business. It would be like saying Craigslist or Ebay aren’t legitimate sites because there can be stolen good found on them from time to time when that’s just the nature of an open marketplace.
Game devs and publishers have commented on this matter numerous times saying that it’s a significant source of costs for them, but sure, it’s just one incident.
Oh yea, have some links https://unknownworlds.com/blog/beware-shady-key-resellers-and-discount-steam-keys/ https://www.techdirt.com/2019/07/09/indie-publishers-tell-gamers-to-pirate-instead-buying-keys-through-reseller-g2a/ https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/g2a-pay-factorio-devs-over-32000-after-uncovering-stolen-key-sales
It’s an open marketplace, every open marketplace in the world has fraud on it and G2A is no exception. Doesn’t make it any less legitimate than other online marketplaces. But to address your three links, the first one is from 10 years ago which is before the G2A marketplace existed, the second features a developer (Mike Rose) whose game barely sold any copies on G2A as found during the 10x fraud challenge and the third is actually a legitimate claim that G2A paid out. However if 32k is the worst we can come up with that’s pretty low comparative to the amount of business the site does.
If fraud is so much more prevalent than other marketplaces then why hasn’t the EU opened an investigation?
G2A isn’t more fraudulent than other marketplaces, if someones selling a game for less than any official retailer it’s likely to involve fraud. G2A and Kinguin are just the biggest ones.
Regional pricing is the alternative to it being cc fraud, which I’m pretty sure still qualifies as fraud but since the publisher doesn’t lose money from it it’s kinda whatever. But many games are now region locked and still show up on these sites, I sure wonder why.
As a small game dev, I can tell you that I get a lot of emails from people impersonating content creators requesting keys for “review.” They then turn around and sell those keys on sites like Kinguin to make a quick buck. If you buy from key reseller sites, that’s who you are supporting. Developers don’t see a cent.
No, they are not legit.
Sometimes the keys they sell work, sometimes they don’t, and sometimes they start out working but later get revoked. But more importantly…
They are even worse for the developers than pirating the games:
- https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48908726
- https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/g2a-controversy-indie-game-developers-calling-out-illegal-key-resellers/
- https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-303
It is better to wait for a Steam/GOG/Humble sale. Price tracking sites like this one can be helpful:
Some are legit, some are scams.
As a rule of thumb, of it is featured in isthereanydeal.com , then they’re safe
I’ve only ever used Humble Bundle to buy steam games not on steam itself. I haven’t had a single steam key issue in the 13 odd-years that they’ve been around.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯Big difference, humble, like other stores, is a key seller. There are plenty of legit ways to get e.g. Steam keys from stores that have a partnership with Steam. Humble, Gog, and lots of others sell completely legit keys.
Sometimes indie even include a Steam key themselves if you purchase their game from elsewhere, like their own site (like Rimworld) or itch.io (like Dwarf Fortress).
The shady part with G2A etc, the resellers, is that they get their keys from… anywhere really. They buy and resell “second-hand” keys and don’t care where they may come from, which is why some end up cancelled when the publisher discovers they were acquired illegally.
And especially among small publishers and indie, the resellers are a huge pain in the ass because in the end cancelling the keys is their decision, and they know it won’t be popular. Most of the time the end user believes the game is being unjustly removed from their library because they have paid for it. Many don’t even realize that it matters who is being paid.
Thank you for breaking it down and explaining it. I honestly didn’t know everything you wrote and I’m glad I do now!
Gamedevs would prefer that one pirate the game outright than use shady key resellers.
g2a and similar websites are grey market websites. That means they’re not literally illegal, but most of their keys are usually gotten illegally. Sometimes (it’s rare, but it happens) people buy keys and they get revoked later if Steam confirms it was stolen. I wouldn’t use them at all if you care about giving the developers their money, you might as well pirate it.
Meanwhile there are legit websites like Fanatical that do sell cheap mystery keys. Most of them are shovelware they’re trying to get rid of, don’t bother.
Most are scams, but there are reputable ones, like Humble Bundle and Fanatical.
Keep in mind that even if some are scams, they might appear to work at first. The problem is that the key you get may be marked as stolen or purchased with a stolen credit card/etc, and then your key becomes invalid even if you’ve already redeemed it.
noted, then would the best option to get games, is thru steam sales?
There are actual authorized key seller sites out there (Green Man Gaming, Fanatical, GamesPlanet, AllYouPlay, IndieGala, Voidu, etc.), you just need to make sure they’re not selling ill-gotten keys. Basically, if the price seems like it’s too good to be true (as it always will on grey market keyshops like G2A, Kinguin, etc.), that’s because it is too good to be true.
As others have mentioned, use https://isthereanydeal.com/ to find the best prices. They don’t let illegitimate sites into their listings.
Mystery packs are always just a scam to get rid of worthless keys by an illusive promise of possibly getting a good game
I’ve used eneba quite a bit. Even for MMOs. Never an issue. If someone knows it’s a bad site, please comment. G2A seems to be the devil.
I’ve never had any issue with CDKeys, and they seem legit. Unlike G2A they’re not a marketplace for shady resellers.
Yeah CD Keys is the only one that I buy from. I’ve never had a real problem, but sometimes preorder keys don’t arrive in time to preload on Steam.
I sell my Humble Bunlde choice keys - not everything is stolen. It’s my thing, I bought it, I’m entitled to selling it and someone else is entitled to buying it.
Often times g2a keys are purchased with stolen credit cards or acquired through other sketchy means and the game risks becoming invalid days or weeks after purchase. Had it happen to a friend a while back with Civilization 5.
